World’s First Production Hydrogen Hybrid Available This Fall
Posted by on Jan 9, 2009 in Hybrid Cars |
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With all the advancement in technology and science, it is a shame that we don’t spend more time (and of course, money) on renewable energy, which is energy generated from natural resources. Since the recent price increase in traditional energy sources you are probably looking for good information on renewable energy solutions. Rising prices of oil, gas, electricity, and other fossil fuels has led to increase interest in the development of alternative sources of energy, ranging from fuel cell, hydrogen fuel, biomethanol, solar energy, wind energy, biodiesel, and many more.
and erect some penises.
In order to produce/extract hydrogen, energy is required (typically electricity). Then this hydrogen is used to produce energy (electricity) in the fuel cell.Why not cut out the loss of energy (due to inherent inefficiencies), and just use the energy (electricity) directly from the first stage?Anyone in engineering knows that a hydrogen car just doesn’t make sense.
Here’s the (exterior) designer’s website with lots more pictures: gryphonauto.com/vehicles/Ronn_Scorpion/
If this thing is real it’s going to turn some heads…
@ Neris:Calm down with the cap’s lock! After screaming this much you must not have any voice so if you don’t reply I would understand it. Hope your throat get’s well soon dude, next time try to go easy… and also you sohuld wash your mouth with soap young guy, it’s not nice to talk to other people saying ***** at every sentence!And also, because I really like to destroy all of your good sens and long propaganda post:Hydrogen car are eletricly propulsed, hydrogen is converted back to electrcity to run the motor, so it has the same lightweight advantage then electric: no transmission needed but guess what: most of them will be able to be reloaded and the hydrogen will act as a range booster…So all that whinning for well… ***** all man!
Obviously you didn’t watch “Who Killed the Electric Car”..
I am so sick of you fraking morons OR you fraking shills or you fracking uneducated sheeple. Electric cars TEN ***** YEARS AGO were going 120-150 miles PER CHARGE and you know what that charge cost? about a ***** BUCK FIFTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Is that enough exclamation points for you?$1 of electricity will drive an electric (nimh) powered car 100 miles.I DO NOT GIVE A FLYING ***** IF 100% OF OUR POWER WAS FROM THE FILTHIEST DIRTIEST COAL POWERED PLANTS HISTORY EVER DREAMED UP this is so little power and therfore POLLUTION compared to the 5 GALLONS of gasoline we use RIGHT NOW to go 100 miles !!ON TOP OF THIS I WOULD WADGER MY LIFES EARNINGS that we use MORE god damnd electricity GETTING 5 gallons of gasoline INTO your ***** tank than $1 worth that would drive an electric car 100 miles!!I DO NOT ***** CARE if it takes me 6 hours to recharge I AM DOING IT IN MY OWN ***** GARAGE FOR ONE ***** DOLLAR !!!!!HOW LONG WILL IT TAKES YOU TO MANUFACTURE 5 Gallons of Gasoline in your garage?MY DAILY COMMUTE is 53 MILES each way !!!! this means a 70 mile range in an EV would be MORE than enough for me. DRIVE to work. Plug in at work fully charged by the time I am done work DRIVE HOME !!!HOW MANY OF YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY YOU NEED TO GO FURTHER THAN THIS ON A DAILY BASIS? I am betting less than 5% of the population NEEDS to go further than this daily. WHEN YOU MUST go further you get in the ***** gas car till the EV’s improve!The car would be ***** FREE !!!! IT would not cost me one stinking red ***** cent! A PROPER low end cheap 2 person $10,000 70mile range electric car is ALL I NEED.My $4500 a YEAR gas bill would be reduced by OVER $3500 if I used that car ONLY FOR WORK !!!!DO THE MATH the savings in gas MONTHLY is greater than the ***** loan payment on such a car!!!!!!!!!ITS FREE and paid off in under 3 years Costing me absolutely ***** lutely nothing!!HYDROGEN SUCKS !!! less than 25% of power plant energy would actually make it to your god damned wheels on the road!!!With an electric car 86% of the power plant energy would make it to your wheels.Hydrogen is NOT DANGEROUS. ITs FAR FAR safer than Gasoline. If I was FORCED to choose between being in a ball of hydrogen or a ball of gasoline with a match I would take the Hydrogen in a heart beat and walk away with some cinged hair at most.The problem with hydrogen is its a RIP OFF !!! its a god damned ROBBERY of the american people! ITS GOING TO COST YOU $7 TO $8 FOR THE EQUIVALENT OF A GALLON AND NET YOU AROUND 35MPG EQUIVALENT EFFICIENCY!!!!!!ITs a ***** CON JOB and it will do NOTHING for the environment! its so damned inefficient currently that it will produce as much pollution from out power plants as the gas cars do now!!!Electric cars are SO GOD DAMND efficient that only 7% of the energy is pollutuion the other drops are HEAT in the charger and controller not gaseous pollutuon. 86% over efficiency versus 24% for hydrogen.ON TOP OF THAT it gets EVEN BETTER.Because we use MORE electricity to get 5 gallons of gasoline into your tank than $1 of electricity into your house GRID LOAD WILL ACTUALLY GO DOWN with electric cars NOT UP.ON TOP OF THIS once nanosolar gets there 90cents a watt solar panels into OUR HANDS you can ERASE 100% of your grid load and pollution with a $2600 investment. $1600 gets you the grid tie in. $1000 gets you enough solar panels to produce MORE POWER each month than you will use typically driving an electric car (assuming 12-15 thousand miles a year)Now you car is 100% free to drive in 42 states (you SELL the power back to the grid) 100% pollution free and 100% ZERO load on the electric grid and since a EV is a lower load than a gas car you are now a net POSITIVE load on the grid.THERE IS NO ***** DOWNSIDE TO ELECTRIC CARS UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE TOP 2% Financially !!!!ANYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT EV DOWNSIDES IS MYTH OR PROPAGANDA !!!I am sick and ***** tired of people spouting this ***** about how EV is bad for this or that reason and those reasons are utter bull *****!!!There is ONE ***** reason I am not driving an EV right nowChevron holds the NIMH large format patent and REFUSES to license it. Its a controlling patent. It does not expire till 2015 and there is NO current viable alternative to it.THATS why we can not have EV’s and THAT is why the pointless TESLA etc.. cost $100 grand !! any idea how hard it is to wire up control and us 6,831 individual batteries? THATS what Tesla had to do since the batteries they NEED are illegal without “chevron’s” permission.
And that electricity is taken from where exactly? It falls on us from the sky? Even if you make an electric powered car, you have to take the ernergy from somewhere and store it somewhere also! (batteries).But that’s beside the main point, sure hydrogen is not the most efficient process there is right now. But still do you want your car to go over 500km on a single charge and then take 5-10 minutes to reful or do you want it to go 50km on one charge and then taking4 hours to recharge?Seriously some people need to start thinking! Electric car are good… for something that does move a lot:Grass CutterGolf CartetcHeck maybe even a motorcycle engine (if light enaugh it won’t require that much electricity to travel and maybe we could get 200km of range)But for a car it’s plain STUPID!
Check out the videos of the Hindenburg. But, what the “naysayers” are saying isn’t that such a car is not possible. They say that there are problems with storage, there are problems with production of hydrogen, and they say that there are problems with distribution. The problem is NOT put it into a car.It is kinda like the stories of this master modder who gets high gas mileage from a Hummer, but it costs $50,000 to do it. How is this remotely a solution? It isn’t.
Yeah, but the main fear is what if a spark gets to it before it’s dissipated, and then you’ve got lots of compressed, explosive gas going up very quickly. But that’s the fear, not necessarily the science. I don’t know the science yet, sadly.
Hydrogen is actually safer then gasoline in collisions. If you did manage to breach the storage tank, yes the hydrogen does escape, but since it’s lighter then air, it dissipates into the atmosphere very quickly- unlike gasoline which will pool, and the vapors linger in the area.
KABOOOOOOM!HOLY SH*T!Are we under attack!?No sir… some truck rear ended first hydrogen car…
Nice looking car but I doubt that the hydrogen component will be in production by fall 2008 – I mean have you heard of any government tests yet? Seen any little mushroom clouds developing over any car safety testing facilities yet? Don’t get me wrong I hope the release comes in the fall of 2008 but I haven’t heard of any breakthroughs in fuel storage during crashes.
Hydrogen is generated on the car, and no it’s not nuclear.
It is a HOD (Hydrogen on demand) system.hydrogen is generated from a body of water, water s not combustable, so only when the hydrogen is extracted, is it combustable. the amount in circulation at any time is very small. Hardly enough for an explosion.
And the majority of the deaths on the hindenburgh had NOTHING to do with the hydrogen and EVERYTHING to do with the 100+ foot fall!Its not the safety of Hydrogen that bothers me. ITs that its massively inefficient polluting and insanely expensive when electric is so damned cheap and clean.
And 38 out of 100 people survived the Hindenburg… Plus, that thing was like 98% hydrogen, whereas with fuel tanks, it should compose of maybe, 10% of the total mass?
wow – that’s no compact/sedan!
Hey nick, I guess I should thank you for putting a negative spin on the article. Now Ronn motors has a less likely chance of getting investors. You pretty much put the last nail in the coffin for Ronn Motors. Say bye-bye to the pretty car.
INCORRECT, it takes 3 times as much electricity to make hydrogen when mass produced. in some car it’ll take like 6x more
Which means its an utter waste of money. It takes TWICE as much to make enough hydrogen to go 1 mile as it does to make ELECTRICITY to go 1 mile.IE once you have an ELECTRICAL SOURCE sufficient to generate on demand hydrogen you ALREADY HAVE an electrical source good enough to go TWICE AS FAR with a simple electric motor.
Ronn Motors is up 118% today…
…because all investors first consult Digg articles before investing in anything.
it’s funny because it’s true.
I’d love to think I have that much influence… But I’m pretty sure I don’t
Besides, I didn’t put that much a negative spin on it, did I? I was just trying to remain grounded in reality and let the product speak for itself. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love it if this car turned out to be reality as much as the next guy (or gal… gotta keep it real). But given what I’ve learned about hydrogen hybrids I remain skeptical until it’s out there and being driven with real world results.
Dugg for the fact that it’s a nice-looking car.
And who is going to drive this when there are no hydrogen fueling stations in 99.9% of the world?Congress really needs to push more for this for these types of “green cars” to actually become marketable.
You need to start somehow.
…buy plugging you electric car in household 110V outlet…
Last I checked I already have an electrical outlet in my garage. Wheres my EV.
Hydrogen hybrids do not require hydrogen refueling.
bury.
They used to say the same thing about gas-fueled vehicles in the early 1900s. The infrastructure will only be built once there is a demand for it. Give it time,but in this case the egg has to come before the chicken.
It’s not ***** because the whole point if an HHO generator is to displace some of the fuel with browns gas which burns hotter and aids int he combustion of gasoline there is a synergistic effect, and I suspect the system they are using uses a different type of catalyst that doesn’t need to be broken down so it actually takes less energy than it give up. fuel economy is the name of the game not efficiency.
Exactly. In addition, by mass, it requires 8:1 as much water as gasoline to produce the same amount of energy. In other words, to have the combustion engine drive the car as far on hydrogen as on gasoline, it would take 8 tanks of water for every 1 tank of gas (that is if the water did not add any weight to the car). In reality, the added weight will further reduce the efficiency of the system. This is a scam, but unlike with perpetual motion mechanisms that run on water, it’s not as obvious to most observers. Hydrogen is not an energy source, it’s a carrier and a very inefficient one due to our inability to easily produce, store and transport it. The hype surrounding hydrogen cars is manifesting out of desperation in a search for non-existent substitute for oil.
If it’s a HHO system, it uses water, which it runs through an electrolysis system to turn into hydrogen and oxygen gases.
Yeah, so in other words, it’s *****!If you are using electricity to split water so you can burn it again, you might as well just use that electricity to power an electric engine…..much more efficient.
BESTenemy your are right but for the WRONG reasons.There is only ONE source of energy in the universe that we know of and thats STARS.FOR OUR purposes hydrogen is as much an energy source as gasoline is and as batteries are. Its a medium to STORE energy.Gasoline is the SAME damned thing. You don’t think it “poof” magically came out of the either as oil do you?The problem with hydrogen is NOT its form of energy it its abysmal efficiency (24%) and its INSANE COST $8 a gallon eq 35mpg eq.For the same $8 I can go 800 miles in an electric car and NOT have to buy my fuel from a pump at $8 a gallon eq.
Can’t you use distilled water off the grocery store shelf?
Read the previous post about water4gas and it will make sense
Ohhh… it’s beautiful!
If I’m reading the Ronn page correctly, this is BS. He’s got a normal gas engine and is using power from the alternator to provide the current for electrolysis. Unfortunately the laws of thermodynamics have not been repealed, and the added drag on the gas engine will use more power than will be generated by burning the hydrogen.
Is “reply” that hard to click on?
Aquafina is gonna skyrocket
@ AzzidReignThe car doesn’t actually need a hydrogen refueling station. That’s part of what makes it so controversial. These types of hydrogen hybrid systems work on the premise that they split water into its component parts from an on-board water tank through electrolysis. The resulting oxygen and hydrogen gases are then injected in small parts into the fuel intake of the engine to, in theory, provide more complete and efficient combustion and better mileage. look at gas2.org/2008/05/29/save-gas-without-losing …for a more in depth analysis of hydrogen hybrid systems as well as some good commentary on the controversy.
In addition the company supplying the tech is using a crappy computer case to house the components and is claiming you only need to refill the water supply every 3-4000 miles. So how much hydrogen is this system actually using??? Also there’s a little known concept known as hydrogen embrittlement, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlemen … Imagine your engine block suddenly cracking due to weakened metal. I’ve emailed the company supplying the technology to see what they say about this, will let you guys know what they say.
yep. It’s a scam. The company is a startup, but it’s already publicly listed on “Over The Counter Exchange”. In other words, they’re going to make some noise, generate some press, and then file for bankruptcy once they’ve roped in a bunch of investors.
Let me put it this way: if you can figure out a way to crack the hydrogen from water with less than or an equal amount of energt than you get from burning the resulting H2, I’ll notify the Nobel Price committee.
Possibly true. How much energy does it take to break apart H2O, how much energy do you get by burning H+O.If they are equal then sure, but if it doesn’t take much energy to break apart H2O then you’re good to go.Some things arn’t that stable, I dont know how stable H2O really is.
Powerful Desire to hump shiny car…
Thought I would let you all know that I have yet to receive any type of response. Not a promising sign.
whoa! sweetness!
LOLz!
Another amazing eco-car I can’t afford. Awesome.
when I first heard about hydrogen powered cars I was too young to drive; now 7 years later I can finally buy one!
You can’t afford one.
What’s even worse is that they paid money to get that site made.Check the bottom left of the site-Site by FullFusion fullfusion.netmoney well spent.
His website, ronnmotors.com looks like a 5th grader got a hold of Front Page. If you can make a car like that, I think you could make at least an impressive website. Compare it to a real company like Bugatti.
Maybe it helps that Bugatti has cars to sell?
I wish that it looked ***** so that I could buy it.
Something doesn’t add up here. How do you get 0-60 in under 4 seconds with an Acura RL engine? Even if you twin-turbo it it’d have to have the weight of a biscuit.
I enjoy that their “campus” is a crude sketch. I’d really like to know how this car will be available in the fall when their “campus” doesn’t even exist yet.
…and why do they have a picture of an 08′ Chevy Camaro in the bottom right corner of their page?
I don’t give a rat’s ass what the web site looks like. Some of the most impressive sites are run by scam artists. And some of the most successful companies look like crap. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover. That said I don’t think that the technology works as advertised.
In other words,. hydrogen is more of a battery than an actual fuel.
I like, how much?
Hydrogen power doesn’t make sense, whether for combustion, or for fuel cells. I’m not saying this to detract from green technology, but as far as I see, the hype around hydrogen has been pushed by the oil companies because hydrogen is currently stripped off of hydrocarbons more affordably than it can be electrolyzed out of water.The case against the hydrogen economy is spelled out here: physorg.com/news85074285.htmlThe flow chart on top says it all.As Ulf Bosselman put it, the future is not about the hydrogen economy, but about the electron economy.
The good thing about hydrogen (or electricity for that matter) is that it allows for an energy proxy. That is, you don’t pump oil out of the ground, refine it, and put it in your car. You can use what ever energy source you have to create hydrogen (or electricity) and then have low impact by the car on the environment when it uses the hydrogen. What makes that good is that as new energy sources come available, you can just change what is powering your hydrogen or electricity plant. You go from many small pollution sources (cars) to a few large pollution sources that you can upgrade easier and manage better.
I like how everyone complains about how the public doesn’t care about the environment, but then when someone comes up with a solution, everyone just detracts from it and says, “NO, NO, NO, THAT’S NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION!”Just admit, the only solution you’ll be happy with is people giving up their cars and walking.Go ahead, bury me. Every time you click the “thumbs down”, it’s out of spite because you hate that I’m just speaking the truth.
Hydrogen power does make sense, which is why every car company and nearly every government is funding research into it. Hydrogen, like electricity, can be made with renewable sources and in the future it will have to be made that way, so don’t worry about it being made from petroleum processes right now.Hydrogen has an advantage over other forms of energy- it’s energy density. Batteries don’t yet approach this energy density.The conversion loss argument is moot- the real argument is whether it is economically viable to use hydrogen.Look at the losses from oil in the ground to power at the tires of an ICE car. Same order of losses.The problems facing hydrogen fuel cell viability have largely been solved- the technology works and there are incremental improvements coming every day.
You would need a long extension cord. The H is a storage medium more than a source. The other option would be batteries but they are still limited in range.
Why use electricity to make hydrogen when you could just use that electricity directly? Adding in extra steps only reduces the total energy output.
The only real glitch with that is: where will you get the hydrogen to refuel the beast?
Nah. If anything, the oil companies are pushing for hydrogen because, unlike a battery-powered electric, there will need to be infrastructure, and I’m sure you’ll see things like zoning ordinances which won’t allow home refueling stations without some beaucoup bucks commercial license that nobody will be able to get…I mean, remember the Hindenberg! Never mind why the Hindenberg really burnt, just remember that it was filled with hydrogen!You know it’ll happen.
If it hurt big oil, it wouldn’t be on gas2.org.Note the name of the website. They have an agenda. Their goal is to promote liquid fuel that maintains infrastructure that can be marketed as green… even if it’s not green.
Dead wrong. The ENTIRE point of Hydrogen is that you can refuel when you run out, just like gasoline. An electric car, on the other hand, takes hours to recharge.I don’t think there’s any disagreement that if they invent a way to fast-charge electric cars, that will be the preferable way to go. There doesn’t appear to be any such solution on the horizon. And people will never, ever change their driving habits to account for the fact that if they run out of charge on the road, they have to plug in and find a hotel.Yes, Hydrogen is just a storage medium and as with any medium there is loss. But that’s the price you pay for having a vehicle that you can actually refuel.
Water.
from renewable sources; solar, water, methanol, ammonia, ethanol, biodiesel, etc.
A car that runs on water,,, eh ?I would like to believe in this,,, but,, if I were asked to bet on it,,,I would bet against it.
A car that runs on water. With pics! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer
Wood.Very small rocks.Churches. Churches!
With a car this beautiful, you’d better spend a little extra for a chastity belt to protect its mufflers
well that’s definitely a 3D rendering of a car you’ve got yourself there
FINALLY! any ideas about tentative costs?
The Ronn Motors website says pricing will be available “early summer.” ronnmotors.com/
That is the best damn looking hybrid ever.
Well , FTHS from Toyota is even cooler… Its 400 hp ,, 0-60 4s and I believe it gives the same 40mpg too… toyota.com/concept-vehicles/fths.html
“As of right now, it’s only a test car and some of the quotes from Ronn executives suggest they haven’t actually installed a hydrogen generator into the vehicle yet.”…. Publicity stun?
DON’T TAZE ME BRO!
I don’t know if i believe it because I read articles about this stuff pretty frequently and they’re always saying hydrogen is many years away from being feasible but if this is true, it’s very cool and very promising.
whokilledtheelectriccar.com/Why are we getting excited about a regression in technology?
I agree
think of it as a necessary stepping stone. Yes its a small one but it will make bigger jumps easier.
yes.. a good step to total control of who make, transport, store and sell liquid hydrogen… never mind already proven, much cheaper, efficient (EV1) battery powered car.The choice is yours.. to buy a liquid hydrogen from big corporations like Exxon Mobile, or to plug your car directly in electrical outlet at your home/work. Maybe even have installed some really cheap solar cells on the roof of your house and charge your car from local house battery storage.
I bet that car gives you a nice, warm feeling through your guttiwuts.
Yes, real horrorshow like.
this made me smile
“As of right now, it’s only a test car and some of the quotes from Ronn executives suggest they haven’t actually installed a hydrogen generator into the vehicle yet.”Explain to me this will be production ready within a few months when they’ve yet to even install the hydrogen generator.
Very exciting, except they havent even tested the Hydrogen Hybrid part yet, how can they say it works, much less claim production by fall? This is bunk.
Cars nowadays are like Jesus….They run on water!Waka Waka
which would be funny if Jesus ran on water…but in fact..he walked…
walking is running very slowly.
Couldn’t he swim?
But of course it will cost $50,000 thus negating any kind of fuel savings.
it costs 150 000$
Looks like Bush is declaring war on Atlantis for their water supply!
40mpg of what? Hydrogen? At what pressure?
gallons of electric energy of course
FTA: “As of right now, it’s only a test car and some of the quotes from Ronn executives suggest they haven’t actually installed a hydrogen generator into the vehicle yet.”Well, that’s rather a non-starter, isn’t it. Wake me when they get that last little kink worked out, until then this is nothing worth noting.
Hydrogen fueled cars are a fantasy, there is no logistical reason to believe hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, and they aren’t a green technology because the best source of hydrogen is to separate it from natural gas . . . guess what the by product of that process is . . . if you guess CO2 give yourself a gold star.
Hydrogen cars might make sense if you have an ample supply of cheap electricity (ie, nuclear, PowSat, something like that) to crack it out of water.I’ve read about Aluminum/Gallium hydrogen generation, and it sounds very interesting (as yet unimplemented in the real world AFAIK), but again you need oodles of electricity to make the Al.
Than why not directly store electricity in batteries? Hydrogen is great for storing energy for buildings and homes.. not cars. I want cheap renewable energy… we have that already with this recent breakthrough on solar cell efficiency factor increase and gigantic cost/Watt drop.
That’s not the reason, didn’t you hear that the Atlantians are hiding Osama bin Laden?
I can “deal with it” fine. It is the rest of the world that is getting ***** on.I use propane for my truck. Deal with it.
If the engine were pure hydrogen you could reclaim the water at the tailpipe.
distilled ethanol from corn is a necessary evil right now. Deal with it. It is only a matter of time until cellulosic processes supply ethanol, methanol, and butanol. Corn is the bridge and the ‘startup’ source.